Talk:True Dweomers

System and Structure

• damage scaling

True Dweomers do MUCH more damage than levl 9 spells, unless extensive manaburning happens.

New True Dweomer Damage Model

Spell Circle	Burn Cost	Min Level	Base Dice	max dice	range	avg	perfected
TD1	+1	21st	1d6+6/CL	31d6+186	217-372	294.5	744
TD2	+1	23rd	1d6+8/CL	31d6+248	279-434	356.5	868
TD3	+1	25th	1d6+9/CL	32d6+288	320-480	400	960
TD4	+1	27th	1d6+10/CL	32d6+320	392-512	452	1024
TD5	+1	29th	1d6+11/CL	33d6+363	399-561	480	1122
TD6	+1	31st	1d6+13/CL	33d6+429	462-627	544.5	1254
TD7	+1	33rd	1d6+15/CL	34d6+510	544-714	629	1428
TD8	+1	35th	1d6+16/CL	34d6+544	588-748	668	1496
TD9	+1	37th	1d6+17/CL	35d6+595	630-805	717.5	1610

True Dweomers are affected by metamagic feats, but note that many of the more potent feats have such a large level adjustment, they cannot be fit onto the higher level true dweomers.

examine this scaling.  do we want that to extend higher?

• range

true Dweomers can use any range

• area of effect

true dweomers with AOE's tend to be LARGE, up to thousands of feet, miles, even leagues. note that metamagic can make even that larger.

• saves

true dweomers follow the basic rule 'no auto effects', but may impose severe save penalties in exchange for smaller range and/or area of effect, to the extreme of the example below "Corrupt Dweomers"

Current status

• True Dweomers - data compilation begun
• Interoperate with Abstract actions/become ritual magics?
• Some casting times measured as a standard action usable in Real-Time, some casting times measured in Intervals?
• Require skill rolls vs DC's to cast? (Old idea, but, it kind of works with the new systems pretty good....)
• Example, to cast a True Dweomer in combat time requires a Bailiwick Skill Roll vs a Challenging DC for the Caster level.
• Casting a True Dweomer as a ritual takes much longer and more 'stuff' (magic circle, altar, implements and unguents, horrifying sacrifices, etc) but does not require a bailiwick skill roll.

Examples of new True Dweomers

• 10th Corrupt Dweomers: Target a foe, any items they have no longer give them a bonus until the end of the encounter. If the items have a CL of 20 or below, there is no roll. If the items have a CL of 21 or higher, make a Caster Check vs a target of 10+ the CL of each item. If it succeeds, the item no longer gives a bonus until the end of the encounter. If it fails, there is no effect.

old example, but you get the idea

• 11th

• 12th

• 13th Accursed Dweomers: As Corrupt Dweomers, except any affected items inflict a penalty equal to their normal bonus until the end of the encounter.

• 14th

Examples of new Feats

Truemagic Feats

• Truemagic Scribe - learn one new true dweomer of 10th level
• Truemagic Supplicant - learn two new true dweomers of 10th or 11th levels
• Truemagic Ordained - learn three new true dweomers of 10th thru 12th levels
• Truemagic Nominate - learn four new true dweomers of 10th thru 13th levels
• Truemagic Magus - learn five new true dweomers of 10th thru 14th levels